The "Devuan" Debian fork and the fuss about systemd

Posted Nov 29, 2014 16:14 UTC (Sat) by SLi (subscriber, #53131)
In reply to: The "Devuan" Debian fork and the fuss about systemd by Seegras
Parent article: The "Devuan" Debian fork

I've done it to bisect kernel bugs. For example, recently I had a corrupted ext4 filesystem image which triggered an oops in the filesystem code for recent kernels but which had previously worked on kernel 3.3. In order to find the commit that broke the code, I had to use sysvinit because systemd would just refuse to work on older kernels.

Not that I would necessarily want systemd to limit itself to features of ancient kernels; just to point out that it does make some things harder.

The "Devuan" Debian fork and the fuss about systemd

Posted Nov 30, 2014 2:07 UTC (Sun) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link]

the correct term is graceful degredation. Rather than refusing to work, it should know how to do as much as it can without that feature.

cgroups are a perfect example. I don't dispute that they are useful for some cases, but I disagree with the idea that it's so important that the entire system should not boot without it (either because it's an old kernel, a bug in a new kernel, or just that someone compiled it out because of the overhead it can cause)